In episode 4 of season 2 of Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Sarah St John of the Frugalpreneur podcast.
Frugalpreneur shows people how to build a business on a bootstrapped budget, and interviews entrepreneurs to answer your questions about being successful online.
Topics up for discussion this week include:
- how the show originally started as a complementary piece to market her book
- how podcasting introduces you to so many people that can help you
- how her change to an interview-style show reignited her podcasting passion
- how a lack of podcasting resources saw her start her own company to offer exactly that
- why she took almost a year off from her podcast, and how Covid presented an opportunity to relaunch
- how the experience has been, compared to her expectations for it
- how Covid has made her much more focused and consistent with her show
- why she prefers the intimacy of podcasting
- how her own networking opportunities have exploded through the podcast
- how she found her love of entrepreneurship
- the episodes that have stood out for her, and why
- how she takes something away from every guest she has on her show
- how she’s taken the best of her shows and created an online podcasting course
- why she’s aiming to do more solo shows in 2021
- what advice she’d give new podcasters
- why being a guest on podcasts is so key to growing your business
- why John Lee Dumas is her hero
Settle back for a look at entrepreneurship on a budget, and how podcasting can help drive the goals and results you’re looking for.
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The following transcript has been created using an automated service, so may not be 100% accurate.
I don’t know if its like a gene or in your DNA or I feel like it’s something that you must be born with. Because even when I was a kid, I would gather up like free candy and pencils and things like that and then sell them to my friends. But I didn’t actually start a business until 2008 was my first business. And it was actually a photography business. But after a few years I decided I wanted to switch to online business just because the overhead, it was getting so expensive with photography, with maintenance and upkeep of the equipment and stuff. And I’m. And so it was, I think once I start online businesses that I really realized that that’s the path that I want to go well,
Hi and welcome to Podcaster Stories each of we will have a conversation with Podcast. It was across all mediums and share their story. What motivates them, why they started to heal, how they grew the show and more we’ll also talk about their personal life and some of the things that have happened that made them the person they are today. And now here’s your host Danny Brown hi, and welcome to another episode of Podcaster Stories where we get to meet the people behind the voices of the show. We’ll listen to you this week. I have Sarah St John who is a host of the Frugalpreneur a podcast built in a business on a bootstrap budget that will look to, to help you make money online. Sarah, welcome to the show. So I appreciate you joining us today.
Danny (1m 28s):
How about you? Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Sarah (1m 31s):
Okay. Well thank you for having me. I appreciate it. So I started this show that’s been over a year now and actually it started as well. I was writing a book called Frugalpreneur and the show originally started as kind of to compliment the book or kind of coincide with a book just as a marketing, a maneuver, I guess. And so it was supposed to be like maybe 10 episodes or something like that. But I found with the podcast, I was gaining more leverage with a podcast than the book and I enjoyed the process.
Sarah (2m 12s):
And so I was like, you know what, I’m just going to keep this show going. And I’ve, I’ve just enjoyed being able to, I do some solo episodes, but most of them are interview based would be different people. There are some people in the podcasting space or a online courses, drop shipping, affiliate marketing, just like the various ways to make money online and on a budget. And I’ve just enjoyed the conversations and the connections I’ve made. And you know, it’s an interesting, and I think that other people have used this analogy is that if you were to try to call up one of your favorite entrepreneurs and be like, Hey, can I have an hour your time either you won’t hear back or you’ll get a no, or you’ll get a shirt or this is how much it costs, but with a Podcast you say, Hey, can you jump on my podcast?
Sarah (3m 14s):
And a lot of the time, sometimes you don’t hear back, but a lot of the time yet there’ll be willing to. And so you make a connection with those entrepreneurs and or, or whatever and issue she might be on it. Doesn’t have to be a business podcast, but make connections in your field and a at which then opens up more connections. And I just kinda just keeps going.
Danny (3m 39s):
No, no, no. You had mentioned that the Podcast was originally set up as a marketer, an Avenue for your book. At what stage did you, or whether it was realize our sweet spot, an opportunity of your legs to move it beyond a promotional for your book and sort of take on all the way for it. So on and, and add to the format of that is now
Sarah (3m 57s):
Like how far in, how many months in
Danny (3m 60s):
Yeah, it was just like something that started collecting your thought, you know what you want me to really keep going at the same? I’ve got an idea for this now.
Sarah (4m 7s):
Well, I had done a few episodes when that book had come out and then I’d kind of fallen off the wagon for a little bit and then he picks back up and really hit. He hit the ground running when I picked it back up. And so I would say when I picked back up as a win, when it took off and just, I was interviewing a lot of people at that time in the podcasting arena, like Dave Jackson and EVOH Tara Mark ask with and all of them. And it was like, eh, in the process I think of interviewing them even, I was just realizing the, the benefits or a potential of podcasting.
Sarah (4m 48s):
And, and, and, and so then, and I enjoyed the process of, you know, producing and editing and all that stuff. I didn’t hire out a company to do that in a way. So then I just recently started a podcast production agency And and then a directory Podcast Resource directory.com where, because when I was starting podcasting there wasn’t at that time, like a, a place you could go to find all the tools and resources and education, whatever. I think there’s a couple now after I start, I started mind, but, and now that podcasting is really becoming big. I think that there’s more of those out there, but so I started the, the directory to kind of help people who are looking to start a podcast, find the tools and resources.
Sarah (5m 38s):
And then I just recently bought my book called Podcast or just came out this week, actually I’m at the time of this recording. And so I’ve just kind of gone and the whole Podcast direction. Cause I was kind doing several things online when I launched the Frugalpreneur podcast and the book I was doing drop shipping, affiliate, marketing, blogging, just everything on demand t-shirts and you know, print on-demand and So. But once I started podcasting, that’s kind of what took over. And so that’s my focus now is all things podcasting.
Danny (6m 19s):
You mentioned your dad, you said he got back into the saddle, so to speak it out, but that was March this year. Is that correct? You took almost like a year off for half a year. I, I was looking at your shoulder. There was a big gap between two episodes out. What was that scary to try, jump back in my thinking, is anybody still got to be a listening and I would have to start from scratch again?
Sarah (6m 37s):
Yeah. So I started the podcast I was on was, it was in June of 2019, I believe. And I did I think seven episodes. And that was with the launch of the book. And then, yeah, I took a big, because I had actually, I had switched jobs. No, I started the podcast. If you were in April, it was in June that I stopped doing a podcast of 2019. Cause I had just gotten a new job and that was taking up, you know, time and whatever, but it was daring when COVID hit and quarantine and all that stuff. I was like, so I started to work from home, but there was only so much with my job that I could do for my home.
Sarah (7m 20s):
And so I was left with all this extra time and that’s when I was like, okay, I need to get this going again. And that’s when I really picked up steam, I guess you could say. Yeah. I mean, I did kind of wonder and worry about, okay, I’ve had this big gap. Let’s see. That would have been what a nine month gap, I guess. But it, it didn’t really seem to, I mean, I don’t know, unfortunately it’s hard to know how many subscribers you have, so I’m not sure if some of them had unsubscribed or, or what, but yeah, I was a little nervous about it, but once I got in the routine of doing it, cause I had during the whole quarantine process, I had recorded a whole bunch of episodes.
Sarah (8m 11s):
I still have a backlog all the way into next cheer. What? And so it’s been a, because I had all that extra time and to build up that backlog, I’ve been able to be consistent now. So, but yeah, I didn’t really have any issues with jumping back in other than just wondering if you know,
Danny (8m 31s):
No, no, I was just going to say it. So you’re like you mentioned your, your jumped back in and it shows you’ve been gone for over a year now, April, but I guess it was more about 14 or 16 months. I’m on the exam who has experienced it, lived up to your expectations because I know as you say that you can be taken more seamlessly for want of a better description, a sense a pandemic since Covid since March. So it has, it lived up to your expectations or what’s been different from what you may have expected go on and enter. There are a whole podcast and a,
Sarah (8m 57s):
Yeah. So I mean, back when I started at, in April, I believe it was of 2019. I had gotten like I was getting like LinkedIn messages and, and all of this like cool interview or I love this podcast and people I didn’t even know. And so it, you know, people didn’t really say that with the book. I wasn’t, it, I mean, I had read reviews, but other than that, people weren’t like personally contacting me in and being like, Oh, a great book or anything. So I knew even at that time that there must be something to this podcasting thing. But then when I picked it back up in March of 2020, so I kind of knew what to expect as far as I knew at that point, that podcasting was going to, you know, do more for me than a book or whatever.
Sarah (9m 51s):
And it’s exceeded, I think my expectations, even from them, I think, I guess just the sheer number I think I have, let’s see, 62 or 63 episodes now, or is before March of this year Island had seven. So, cause I started, I had so many recorded that I started like putting out one a day for a while there and now a couple of week. And so yeah, I still get like, you know, LinkedIn messages or sometimes Facebook or emails or whatever, or just people that I have no idea who they are. You know, I didn’t know them beforehand, like finding me, you know, because I guess Apple or are these different directories or assertions and may be word of mouth.
Sarah (10m 41s):
I don’t know if people are sharing it it or, or what, but yeah, it seems like, Oh it certainly not viral by any means though. I think people can definitely go viral with podcasting. I don’t know if it’s as common now as it was, you know, a decade ago because of, I mean, everybody knows what podcasting is now. I wouldn’t say everybody has a podcast, but so there’s just so many more podcasts then there was a decade ago. So I think for one individual show to go viral is not likely at this point, but still like the ability to be found in shared.
Sarah (11m 28s):
And I just felt like it, it reaches people quicker and easier than a book or whatever other content you might produce. Like a blog. Maybe I do know a lot of people, you know,
Danny (11m 44s):
I have spoken to them or I I’ve seen them post on line about the, the whole podcast and experience is it’s, it’s so attractive have your life because it has a experience. Your basically, it’s a voice or two voices and may be in theory, but it’s a voice in your ear. So you are very attached to what’s going on. It’s not like you have to concentrate on a video on YouTube are, you know, a, a video course that you’ve taken on a plane or something. So I think that that definitely helps, you know, with that connection that you mentioned and then the networking that you can do with that arises because of that.
Sarah (12m 14s):
Hm. Yeah. Definitely. Because with podcasting you can multitask so to speak, like you could be driving or doing the dishes or, you know, even mowing the yard may be if you have, it really turned up loud because it doesn’t involve your eyes, whereas reading or watching a YouTube video, all of that involves your eyes. So you can really only focus on just that. So I think if podcasting is so big, because people can multitask during it, they don’t have to use their eyes. And, and so they have more time.
Sarah (12m 57s):
And so they can listen to an hour long podcast because of their computer or whatever, like I’ve YouTube video or they may be, we only have five minutes or something M to dedicate there or like a blog or maybe just scroll through ’em. So I feel like as far as content that its definitely the wave of the future may be like the, the direction things are going.
Danny (13m 23s):
Yeah. It was definitely hard to drive a car in your heart and a look at our YouTube videos and our Recommended now I know, and obviously, you know, the show is built from an entrepreneurial, you know, entrepreneurial background of yourself. And you mentioned that you’d get a lot of messages in a lot of connections, say on LinkedIn, for example, then after a specific episode or a guest that’s been on a topic that’s been discussed, people reach out to you, how has it been for you? How has your shell have been for you when it comes to building your, your own network and leads and opportunities, as you mentioned, your, your specific niche is helping people make money online for a it’s a a hundred bucks a month Fink, is there a certain mantra of the tag line of your like, right. So how has it been for you to yourself personally, to grow lots of that business for your, that, that expertise
Sarah (14m 7s):
People who are just really appreciate all the tools and resources that I mentioned because it saves them a lot of time from having to search for that stuff themselves. And, and yeah, I think growing in an email lists is important and I have our resource page on my website and that’s one way to make money is through affiliate marketing. So basically any resources that I use and recommend that people can use for free or very inexpensively I have on the resource page, or sometimes I do, I’ve just recently started doing a couple of podcast episodes about different resources and what, and people really, I think they like that because then it, if they don’t have to spend the time researching that stuff themselves, like the best email marketing platform on a budget or you know, that kind of thing.
Sarah (15m 9s):
And so I think that people just to appreciate that even if its something that’s free and I’m not going to make any money or whatever off of, you know, and not everything that I recommend, even as an affiliate program, I do. And I, I, I don’t really care whether or not I make the five bucks or whatever it is, you know, I just enjoy helping people and get started with an online business quicker and easier than I learned all of these things while I was doing different online businesses. So then I wrote the book and started the podcast on it. And then in the process of writing the book about it, I learned how to self publish a book.
Sarah (15m 53s):
So then I wrote a book on that and then when I started the podcast, so now he wrote a book on podcasting. So its kinda like, I learn how to do something and the most efficient way, in my opinion or the most affordable way for sure. And then passed that along basically through my podcast or another book on the topic or something like that. And I’m planning on doing a Podcast in courses as well sometime later this year. So yeah, it was a busy. Yeah. And what is
Danny (16m 29s):
Entrepreneurship is, I know you mentioned you got three books currently. You’ve just released a Podcast pronounced, but you’ve also had offered preneur and Frugalpreneur have you always had that entrepreneurial mindset or what was, what was the thing? And if you had like a, a normal job and you’re like a nine to five beforehand, what was it that, that moves you from there into what you’re doing now and where your focus is now?
Sarah (16m 49s):
I feel like, you know, I’ve always had an entrepreneurial, I don’t know if its like a gene or in your DNA or I feel like it’s something that you must be born with. Because even when I was a kid, I would gather up like free candy and pencils and things like that and then sell them to my friends. But I didn’t actually start a business until 2008 was my first business and it was actually a photography business. But after a few years I decided I wanted to switch to online business just because the overhead was getting so expensive with photography, with maintenance and upkeep of that equipment and stuff.
Sarah (17m 31s):
And so it was, I think once I start online businesses that I really realized that that that’s the path that I want to go as a, as an entrepreneur and just the different types of ways you can make money online. And so I’ve tried at all pretty much,
Danny (17m 50s):
No one, would you say you mentioned earlier your show up as a mixture of solo episodes and episodes where we’ve had guests on umm, across the different kinds of things, you know, our expertise and, and different content and entrepreneurship. Are there any episodes that have stood out for you in particular and if so, why that one or why these two or three, et cetera,
Sarah (18m 8s):
One episode that I really enjoy it and I enjoy them all to some degree obviously, but was the one with Christie, right? She actually works for Dave Ramsey and I especially liked that one because it was specifically about starting a business and on a budget, it wasn’t like specific to podcasting or it wasn’t a specific niche. He was kind of a more broader general, but about the steps to take, to launch a business and to do it on a budget. So I really enjoyed that one. Let’s see, I had Nick Loper on from side has been a side hustle or a side hustle shoot.
Sarah (18m 53s):
So that was also nice because it was about side hustles and ways to make money online. And so it was more kind of Gen I did one with a Mike Morrison of the membership guys and that was all about membership sites and whatnot, but I really liked a lot of the points that he made in that episode learned a lot. I feel like I learn a lot in every episode I do, which is C. So it’s also kind of like your getting free coach and basically because you’re, you’re learning from these people. And, but I would say as far as my episodes that are currently out, because I still have a backlog, those are three, at least three of my favorite ones.
Danny (19m 41s):
And I think I like to see its, its its cool that you can get access to all of these, you know, cool mine’s and expertise and experts across the various, in our ways too, you know, our income online and you can find what it really suits you, your driver, your niche, or what you are interested in as opposed to like just to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks now I’m actually going to take the, the, the, the guidance, all the tips I got from episode 27, for an example, because that’s what I feel will really work for me. And I think that’s a, a really cool approach with your show where you have all these different people from all of these different, you know, walks of life and what they’ve done to help people. And especially with this pandemic, I think it’s a, it’s a, I know people who are really stressed and what about what’s happened next?
Danny (20m 25s):
And that also affects, you know, where’s my next paycheck coming from. And I think it’s at a time that’s some people could look for a while here’s a side hustle or that I could do to, to supplement, you know, what I’m doing at the moment.
Sarah (20m 39s):
Mm Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. It’s like the podcast that I have it’s niche because it’s about, you know, building a business on a budget, but its also within that, its kind of broad in general because I don’t cover a one specific area. I cover, I tried to have a podcast episodes about the various ways and you know, and connect with an expert basically in whatever field I want to cover. Like I did a whole week’s worth on self publishing. I’ve done several on podcasting. I did that membership site episode. I did, let’s see, I have one coming up about web design.
Sarah (21m 23s):
And so anyway, just different ways people can make money online. I like the fact that I’m kind of trying to hit on all the different ways. It’s not just one or two specific ones.
Danny (21m 36s):
Right. And then to that point you had mentioned that your you’re looking at some of the branch in a shoe for a little bit to, you know, you’ve got band podcasting course for example. And you’ve got the web designer that you mentioned. So what are your goals for the show or are you gonna keep a similar format or are you doing spinoffs? What are your plans for the show?
Sarah (21m 54s):
So I’ve actually, I have so many episodes about podcasting. So I actually took all of those episodes and created a separate show called Podcast preneur to go along with the podcast for your buck and but all of the shows on that. So basically it’s just my show repurposed, it’s all the podcast episodes from Frugalpreneur put in to the podcast preneur. And then I did the same thing with authorpreneur podcast that goes along with that book and there aren’t As, there’s maybe like 10 episodes on that one, but so I’ve kind of repurposed the Podcast in that sense so that if people are looking specifically for podcasting or self publishing, all those particular episodes or in a different podcast, but of course the main podcast is Frugalpreneur and I don’t know cause I’m, I think I’m going to stick with that format in that show, but sometimes I, I think about just going straight into a Podcast for sure, but just because I’m so focused on podcasting in general with the, the production agency in all that, but I feel like I can still do that with Frugalpreneur, but I think in 2021, I’m a, at least I’m going to have more solo episodes because I think I only had like, probably know more than a handful of so far in 2020.
Sarah (23m 25s):
And so I think that’s going to be a one change or shift is to have more solo episodes in addition to the interviews.
Danny (23m 34s):
And, and I know of, like you just mentioned it there, you’ve got various different angles of Podcast and what you can do if you’re podcasts and how to break off into different, you know, sub-categories and again, it’s, it goes back to, they have multiple income streams, you know? So if one goes away, you’ve always got five, six, seven to fall back on. So if there was a podcast or someone looking to get in the podcast and asked for a piece of one piece of advice from you to get started, whether it’s to follow yourself in your new shop or their own needs or whatever, what would your advice be for the lessons you’ve learned on what you are taken from them? Moving forward?
Sarah (24m 8s):
I would definitely invest in a Microphone. Some people would just use their phone. So I have an ATR 2100. I know they just came out with a new model that supposedly isn’t as good, which seems kind of weird, but so maybe a Samson Q to you would be another option. And those are like, you know, 60 or 80 bucks. So definitely a invest in a microphone and headphones of some sort. I don’t know that the brand matters on that, but just said that there is not the eco or whatever is the sound isn’t coming out of the computer. The so I would say to make sure you invest in a couple of pieces of equipment and, and then of course you need to get a host.
Sarah (24m 57s):
I currently use captivate, which I’ve really liked. I also recommend Buzzsprout. I think they’re pretty good. I started with Spreaker cause it was, they had liked the free plan and then I got up to the $7 plan, but don’t know I switched to captivate and I like their interface better. And it’s easier I think to manage, especially if you have more than one show, but you can at least try it out. I mean, because it, heart I’ve been assigned for the Microphone. I mean, and people all obviously already have a computer and they probably actually already have headphones or even earbuds, I guess you could use.
Sarah (25m 38s):
So, you know, I mean you could start a podcast for under her under a a hundred dollars and I would say to try it out and at least experiment with it and you know, you have a lost some, a lot of money, but yeah. And then yeah, I would use, if you’re doing an interview view Bay show to go onto sites like pod it.net and Pade match.com and there was another new one of the pod bowker.com M those are my three favorites as far as being able to find guests and even to be on their shows because I think it’s important too, in addition to having your own show to be on other shows, ’cause, you know, a lot of people think, why am my own show?
Sarah (26m 28s):
Why do I need to be on other shows? But it’s like, that’s, as long as you’re going on a podcast, that’s in your niche, then that’s a targeted audience. And if they are already listening to a podcast, then there are likely to maybe check out your podcast. And so it just makes sense. Or even like, let’s say you don’t want to have your own podcast. You should still be a guest on other podcasts. And I know Dorie Clark, I don’t know if your familiar with her. I don’t think she has her own podcast, but she goes on podcasts all the time. And so that’s an example of a way to boost your business, get more exposure by using the power of podcasting by going on other podcasts and still not even have in your own.
Sarah (27m 17s):
And then you don’t even have to worry about editing and all that stuff. You should still have a good Microphone all that. But I definitely recommend whether your hosting a podcast or you want to be a guest on podcasts to, to do something with podcasting. Because I think the, especially since Covid, but even really starting back in 2019, the popularity of podcasts have just skyrocketed. Yeah. I think every business should have one.
Danny (27m 46s):
Yeah. And, and like you say, the, the bottle of trance, you know, we saw a lot, obviously you have to sight, see it, we’ll let you pull a card from your phone or do you want to do that? But I love the fact that you mentioned whatever you do get a good microphone or at least a decent microphone and headphones. It just makes all the difference. You know, you can have all the amazing tech in the world and a bunch of the audio mixing desk and everything. But if your vocals and you’re not here to not through headphones, so you can adjust everything. If they are not, there are people are gonna switch off, I think fairly quickly, you know? So that’s yeah. And that’s such a little bit of a barrier to entry as well.
Sarah (28m 17s):
Yeah, I agree.
Danny (28m 19s):
No, just to flip it up a little bit, because I’m always curious what makes people tick and what, you know, what guides them or their decisions of your life, who would your old team here will be and why that person wouldn’t even be an animal? You know, it might be Dumble for example, but who knows? You don’t have time for Europe.
Sarah (28m 37s):
So I had never, I’ve never even thought about this. I mean, I guess I’ll go with someone in the entrepreneurial space because that’s what would make sense. I think I probably have several, but I’ll just go with John Lee Dumas just because I think he opened up the whole podcasting space. Well, I mean, he wasn’t the first Ernie thing, but I think he, with his Podcaster’s paradise in his PA just all his things podcasting, it’s a help people realize the power of podcasting and the different ways you can monetize it. And, but really anyone in and Pat Flynn would probably be another one.
Sarah (29m 18s):
So yeah, that’s what I would say. I guess if I had to do to pick one off the top of my head,
Danny (29m 23s):
No, for sure. And like you say, it, it’s, it’s people that impact your life or influence your life. So it makes perfect sense, you know, for you to mention it to chaps that you’ve just mentioned, Sarah, this has been like really, you know, a really enjoyable chat. I, you know, I think as you mentioned, it’s such such a good time. If you’re like, Oh, what an opportunity for people to start thinking about ways to make money online and, and even to, you know, to start off slow a bit, looking at the longterm that could change your complete future. And two, you know, being an entrepreneur like yourself for that too, it looks at different avenues of income in, and things that, that really can get you up in the morning and we want to do well, et cetera.
Danny (30m 3s):
So if, if, if people want to learn more about that and, and listen to your show and, and check out your resources are sign up for the upcoming Podcast course, et cetera, where does the best place for them to go to find you online?
Sarah (30m 15s):
So I actually have all three of my books available for free a, a PDF version. I’m at the Sarah St John dot com forward slash free. Currently my first two books were on there. The third one just came out about podcasting, but I’ll put it up there before this episode goes live. And then yeah, I’m on social everywhere at the Sarah St John. And then if people are looking for editing, like they already have a Podcast or maybe there are going to start one, but they need, they don’t have the time or whatever to edit and produce and repurpose. And all that. My company is pod seam.com, PO D S E a M E and then the Podcast resource directory.com has a growing list of resources to get started.
Sarah (31m 7s):
And then, yeah, ah, when the course comes out, I’ll have that on my website as well at the sourcing John
Danny (31m 15s):
Dot com. Okay, awesome. And I’ll be sure to drop all these links into these show notes or your list it on your favorite podcast app, to make sure you drop into the show notes and click through to the ones. You don’t have to check this out as workout. So Sarah, as I mentioned, I really do appreciate you coming on to Deb and I enjoyed there, the information you shared with us, and I know that people will look into, to do stuff will definitely be interested in that the episode, for sure. So I appreciate your time today. Thank you. Well, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. Okay. So this had been another episode of Podcast or Stories. If you enjoy this week’s show, be sure to share it with someone that you feel makes and value from it. And you can find that on all the main podcast apps like Google podcasts, Apple podcast on Spotify, or hop over to Podcaster Stories dot com.
Danny (31m 58s):
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