As I enjoy a week’s vacation with my family, I wanted to share a bonus episode from my old Life Through a Dram podcast.
Being an entrepreneur can be hard. Coping with mental health issues while growing and running your own business can add immense stress, both to you personally and those around you.
This is something that green industry professional Josh Currivan knows only too well. The last time we chatted, we spoke about his younger life, his upbringing, his mental health issues, and how that had led him to where he is today.
In this bonus episode of Podcaster Stories, we catch up one year later to talk about mental health and entrepreneurship, and how the two are intertwined.
Topics on the menu include
- What it means to be an entrepreneur while coping with mental health
- How it can impact your personal, family, and professional life
- How having ADHD impacts your business
- Why the predominantly male-dominated green industry still needs to talk more about mental health
- Why it’s important to take moments of stillness for yourself
Settle back for a chat about the pressures of wanting to succeed, why you need to take the emotion out of business decisions to, and why the “go after everything” mindset is hurting you.
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The following transcript has been created using an automated service, so may not be 100% accurate.
Hi, and welcome to a bonus episode of Podcaster Stories. This episode is from my previous show, a least through a drum, which I sunsetted earlier this year to fully concentrate on Podcaster Stories and It I speak to Josh, carve-in a thread and a colleague who I’ve known for a few years. Who’s agreed in district pro over in the U S Joshua has a podcast called the WeScape podcast that talks about both the grid industry and itself. And also I’m dealing with mental health issues while, you know, trying to raise a family and runner up. I saw all business. It’s a real interesting chart with a lot of great takeaways, both for business owners and for people that have mental health issues.
I hope you enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to Podcaster Stories each week we’ll have a conversation about podcasts. It was across all mediums and share their story. What motivates them, why they started to heal as a group. And More also talk about their personal lives and some of the things that have happened that made them the person in the afternoon. And now here’s your host. Danny Brown.
Josh (1m 8s):
I would say the focus of being conscious now in the admitting to myself, the, you know, if there’s issues and I have to focus and I have to figure myself out and you know, a lot of things can Sue me. And I think one of the biggest things for me business was figuring out and in developing the ability to take the emotion out of business. And that’s a lot of what I did is through the day I, you know, I’m a bad phone, God carry on with that with me all day, you know, my numbers were down for the quarter, right. You know, I I’d be flipping out and, and it’s good to be like that to your conscious of what you’re business is doing. But at the end of the day, you have to cut that cord and realized you don’t take that with you, you know,
Danny (1m 48s):
Welcome to life through a DRAM where Danny, Brown shared his take on life, being a better person and appreciating the here and now all accompanied by a DRAM at a fine single malt whiskey. And now here’s your host Danny Brown Hi guys. And welcome to another episode of live through a drum this week, I’ve got a returning guest from an earlier show, the sheer Josh Currivan who, when he was on the last time we spoke about his mental health fair battles. If you’re like, and you know, he was growing up until this time, you know, and various and institutions and how he’s, you know, overcome that to launch our successful business.
Danny (2m 31s):
Today, you want to catch up call, I’ve got to catch up a chart, I guess a we’re gonna sort of revisit that a bit and talk about how that plays into entrepreneurship and how, you know, dealing with mental health issues plays into a run and grow on a business. So Josh, welcome to the show. It’s been a while and it has to do. And how are you doing? Oh, I’m good, man. I am good. And I know that we were searching it. And just before the show here, you are saying that the way are there, so it kept you fairly quiet in the last month or so. Definitely.
Josh (3m 0s):
Yes. So we were, we, we usually gauge to, to really focus on snow work over here in Northeast, Massachusetts from January to about March. And it’s been pretty mild this month or so we haven’t done much action as far as getting out and to any snow removal.
Danny (3m 16s):
Yeah, I can imagine. And like you said, we, we had a, a whole bunch here, so I’ll try send some of your way if you want to do that. So what I’m planning of the guests are S are there any of the listener’s that, you know, aren’t aware of you or didn’t catch up with the last show, et cetera. How about introducing yourself a little bit of background on who you are and what you,
Josh (3m 35s):
Yeah, definitely. So again, Josh Caribbean, I live in Northeast, Massachusetts, and I own a, a, a, a landscape construction company over here that services are about 20 miles around of the greater Boston area. If you didn’t listen to the last podcast, it kinda spoke briefly about my battles with a mental health childhood trauma, and kind of develop an into a, a, a, a grown-up and the obstacles that that took. And I think that’s what we’re gonna chat a little about today is a, you know, over coming in the past couple of years and growing into the person that made it today, and, you know, How developing our strategies of dealing with mental health help with me to get where of it.
Danny (4m 21s):
No, it got, and I’m really looking forward to that. I know it’s something that a lot of people, especially in the industry that you’re in and seeing some of the discussions from green industry professionals, it’s certainly a topic that’s very much, you know, Hi and there are a lot of peoples’ agenda at the moment and I’m looking forward to chap. Yeah, it definitely, yeah. You know, as a sort of want a, I’m not sure because I know it’s like more than where you are getting close to a lunch thing where I am. So I am having a sneaky, a little jam that today for the show, but it’s a very mild one. It’s just like a bit more, a 12 year old. And are you partaking in anything today or are you seeing,
Josh (4m 54s):
And in light of the coronavirus from having to cover all of that?
Danny (4m 58s):
No, it’s well played. Well, I shall cheers you too that and enjoy the canola. So I’m just, Josh you mentioned in the intro there that you, you know, you built up a landscape business, but you’ve also, you know, you deal with mental health issues, you know, from growing up and you know, where you are today. So how long have you been dealing with mental health, your personal mental health, and how long have you been in business now? How have the two? So he joined each other.
Josh (5m 28s):
Well, I I’ve been in business for myself about five years now. And as far as the mental health, honestly, it was never addressed ever. And it was just in the past two years that I really started to see the light and, and it really focused on, on what was happening around me as far as like business family, friendships on things that were going well. I was having a lot of hiccups in my marriage, was having hiccups, ah, in, in business. And I was so quick
3 (5m 58s):
To react. Ah, and in a, in the defense mechanism too aggressively find the answer I needed to know the answer right there and it wasn’t working. So I don’t know what it, wasn’t sort of epiphany that I remember the week before July 4th, two years ago, just lying there and really just a self-reflection in, ah, trying to figure out what exactly what was going on and, and why these things were happening. You know, Why business was booming, but it wasn’t happy. I was always an aggravated and mad, constantly fighting with my wife, bickering with my children. They don’t want to be around me guys that were working for me. We were always walking on egg shells when I was around it. So it, it, it definitely took a little bit of a self-reflection two years ago and, and really kind of waking up.
3 (6m 41s):
And it wasn’t all at once. It was, it, it was gradually that, you know, you start to notice things and as you sit back and really take time, you can see how things change around you. And, you know, you, you, you, you present yourself a certain way
Danny (6m 57s):
And you mentioned, obviously its a gradual thing and you have that kind of epiphany to years ago, a lead up to that had people tried to tell you to either of, you know, seek help or it, maybe you need to speak to someone because they are not really sure, you know, how to help or was it something that you were dealing with on your own? Really?
3 (7m 18s):
I would say it was kind of a denial that nothing was wrong. You know, the people that were going with the flow of what I wanted an outward work and there were people, you know, like my wife would constantly tell me that, you know, I put a lot on my plate, but a lot of pressure on myself that I should, you know, talk to a therapist or chat with someone and I didn’t really have the people around me that would push to like really talk about emotions and feelings and you know, stress is, it was more or less like, you know, how will the socks of the past and the game the last night, you know, a quick picture, one, two and, and that’s cool and all, but yeah, I mean, you, you definitely, I’ve learned now that, you know, you could do that, but you definitely want to have those Gates open when you, when you have something going your life and you are not able to talk to a spouse or partner about things like that.
3 (8m 4s):
Danny (8m 5s):
And, and that’s why that’s such a key message as well. It’s I think because of the stigma obviously is still sort of our hands know Mental Health discussions and it’s a really hard to, to open up and, and talk, unless you mentioned, unless you have the people that understand what you’re going through an arcane, do you understand what you’re going through? It can be hard to get that cottage if you’d like to, to reach out to professional for help.
3 (8m 28s):
Oh it is. And that’s for sure. And I’m going to actually go back real quick. When I talked about being in survival mode on the last episode that was on and that’s where that came into play. So I would say I have a lot of stuff that I dealt with as a teenager growing up from the time of, you know, getting through that to, you know, become a young adult with, with a child. There wasn’t much time to self-reflect on things that were going on or the things that happened to me in the past or why it was where I was at that time. It was more or less like, OK, you dealt with The the juvenile detention to detention centers and institution’s now it’s time to manned up and become a man and figure that out and then go out on your own. And you know, you think that you had things figured out and they are going, but again its just survival mode.
3 (9m 11s):
You’re, you’re going by instinct. You doing what you have to do to get by an honest to God, I mean that carry all throughout my twenties and 34 going to be 35 in a few weeks. And that carried up until I was 30. And you know, I look back at it now and it was just, it was ignorant of myself to not take a step back and say, Hey, well, things aren’t working, you were literally just getting by with, with techniques that you created in self-taught yourself as a 15, 16, 17 year-old and the system. And you know, but as a man, you know, what excuses or are you making for yourself now that you did it when you’re 17, that don’t really work and yeah, definitely, you know, getting out of that survival mode and being able to say, Hey, you know, I, I need to talk to someone it’s hard, its hard for a lot of people because it’s, it’s, you’re not going to emit that something is wrong when you have those traits about you, that, you know, you, you do what you have to do to survive and I’d be straight up with you.
3 (10m 1s):
I mean, I, I signed up for there to be two years ago and I’m on a break from it right now. And I get into that Why but that there would be, it was probably one of the best things and there is stigma behind it and it wasn’t one of those things where you sit on the couch and you know, they ask if, if you know, uncle Bob or touched U as a kid is more or less by organizing your thoughts on that was one of the biggest things I had trouble with and even going into the business was organized in my thoughts, you know, I, I deal with ADHD and you know, that’s been a culprit, that’s kinda set me back a little bit, but I’ve learned to live with it and adjust and, and adjust my mind too, you know, my thinking process and being able to, to sit back and actually realize that now it definitely helps, you know.
Danny (10m 41s):
All right. And, and it’s interesting, you mentioned your ADHD and how that plays a certain role or how you’ve used it to play a certain role and guests within your business. Do you think that, because I know a, for example, autism people who have autism or have been phone to be really good at detailed oriented jobs like accountant because of, you know, the way the mind works. Do you feel that you read the HD As helped you focus on certain on your business on how to run a or do you think its it’s been a hindrance or I’m not sure what the right word, but
3 (11m 17s):
There’s definitely pros and cons to it. DHD is as far as a, you know, I, I always considered it multitasking, but you know, you’re not finishing the task at hand and you know, things are a mess, you know, now that I’m aware of it, not to say it was an excuse before for being sloppy or anything like that. But I know that for me, that there was a label on it. Its its easier for me to actually be conscious of what’s going on in my mind. If I find myself saying, Hey, you know what, today’s the day. And I’m gonna sit in on an invoice. I want to work with my marketing and payroll. But during that time I’m like, well let me work on five design. It’s a mom to be able to catch myself a little bit more and say, you know what? This isn’t like, the brainstorming that multitasking that this is me losing my way.
3 (11m 58s):
Like I could’ve focused on the guy. And, and that’s the, the downside of it is, is you constantly have to be conscious and, and find in and see yourself doing that. And if I put yourself on the bus and say, no, no, no. Well, so, you know, for me, what helps is actually being diagnosed with the ADHD helped me develop the ability to make a list and, and stick to a schedule per day, what I’m going to do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then the weekends. I usually play by day. And, and that was something that I never did. And, and, and that always kept me in the butt too, because you know, self doubt kicks in, especially when you’re dealing with, you know, depression, anxiety, ADHD, self doubt can be at kick in the ass. And when you set these goals and for some reason I think a lot of entrepreneurs set these unrealistic goals of what you’re going to achieve and when you don’t achieve them, because your mind, especially from me, my mind wandering everywhere you look down, he said, what the hell am I doing it?
3 (12m 52s):
You know, like, like I didn’t get anything done. I started at 20 tasks. I didn’t give one single thing. And they had done it’s aggravating, you know, but being able to have that label on it and say, okay, I’ve got to focus and I’m not going to let it control me. And I’m gonna finish all my tasks. It is rewarding at the end of the day, when, you know, you can check off everything on that list and, and know that you’ve actually succeeded in, in these small goals you set for yourself each day. So I can’t say that there is definitely a benefit or a con from it, but it’s kind of in the middle. Right.
Danny (13m 22s):
I mean, and, and that’s a really good way to describe it. It’s, you know, that your examples that you used there, you had mentioned obviously the, prior to the epiphany that you had a, you know, back in July of two years ago, people were out and you were noticing are, may be bearing the brunt. If you’re like, Oh, you have some of your, your, your swings, you know, your ups downs, et cetera. I mean, w running your own business and, you know, a couple more mental health issues that the same time, or did you find that out? It see additional stress on pharma life than say, if you weren’t obviously coping with mental health issues, are you were in a, a standard nine to five job versus running your own business?
Danny (14m 5s):
3 (14m 9s):
I would say that in your meeting. So before I have the epiphany, how do I was dealing with, with the stresses of everyday life?
Danny (14m 17s):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it just really, I, I guess I know of myself, for example, my wife’s sufficient, a mental health has eyes to eye, and sometimes that can be a tough thing when you’re trying to run a family or on a host household, et cetera, but we don’t have, like, we both worked for other people. So I’m just curious, as you mentioned, entrepreneurs put so much more pressure on themselves. Did you know, how did that play out for yourself and your family while you are building a business and still understanding that you had, you know, mental health issues that you, that you were battling,
3 (14m 50s):
But it definitely added to the stress I’m in
Josh (14m 52s):
An eye and said, I really didn’t have a plan. You know, you, you read all these, you know, motivational books and the business coach books and that, you know, they send out the plan, but from a lot of people in that, I want to say a lot of people in my industry, you get into this Usually, you know, when, when you’re back in the corner, it’s the cheapest industry to get into. So you kind of run along and we did the same time we signed up, they can, you know, weed, most of the lawns, we would just clean up and it will be simple, but we’re in a month really took off then that first year. And we grew so fast that we didn’t have the time to really establish the fan. So a plan So well, I’m, you know, somewhat conscious of, you know, I needed to work on self development and stuff, but I’m not really putting focus on it.
Josh (15m 33s):
I’m not paying attention to the stresses. The triggers are around me and I’m taking everything in and I’m not delegating at this point. And this is a really unusual because before going to business for myself, I’ve ran businesses. I worked for corporations where I was Hi in higher positions, I’ve ran automotive dealerships is operations managers, but it’s always different when it’s not your, as you can close the door or a drop your wrenches and your home for the day. So I wasn’t really paying attention to the triggers around me. So the added stress was to get to the point where I would be waking up with the sweat two in the middle of the night, I was definitely jumped me. I was barking of the smallest things. I would say my oldest who’s 14 now remembers me being a snappy over the smallest thing.
Josh (16m 14s):
You, you know, like I’m trying to focus or in a bill and, you know, if someone would drop the cup and I’d lose my mind, I would say the focus of being conscious now in a meeting to myself that, you know, there was issues and I have to focus and I have to figure myself out and, you know, a lot or not what things can Sue me. And I think one of the biggest things for me in business was figuring out and, and developing and the ability to take the emotion out of business. And that’s a lot of what I did is through the day I would, you know, I’m a bad phone, God carry on with that with me all day, you know, my numbers were down for the quarter, you know, I I’d be flipping out and, and it’s good to be like that. So your conscious of what you’re business is doing, but at the end of the day, you have to cut that cord and realize that you don’t take that with you.
Josh (16m 57s):
You know, we, I work in a home office. We’re both in here. We know once we leave this office, that’s it, that it stays there. But even when doing with customers at the moment, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s pretty scripted now for what we do with it. There’s no emotion about that. At the end of the day, these are just people that are looking for a service, the same way you walk into target and you see a cheaper item on Amazon and by an Amazon and they take the emotion and you move on to the next. So taking the emotion out of business has definitely helped me personally and professionally.
Danny (17m 26s):
And, and how do you, how do you do that? Cause I know you mentioned you had a, a very passionate passion for your business. How do you take the emotion? How would you allow them to take the emotion, aware and understand that it’s not personal? No. Is just a business decision that was awkward. That can be easier for you, or was that a hard thing for you to do?
Josh (17m 44s):
No. God, no. So like I said, it in the, I said in the last episode, so I grew up in Boston and I grew up in, in, in like a, an area in and around people that, ah, I don’t know if, remember you saying this is like you brushed everything under the rug. And the build up of emotion came out and it came out as a aggression and like a lot of mint have we come out are emotions. Don’t usually come out with tears as they come out in anger, we come out and we hit walls. We slam things, we raise our voices. And that was me to the fullest extent. And that it didn’t matter who you were, you can be a potential customer with a a hundred thousand dollars jobs. If I didn’t like your attitude, I’m just letting you know. And that was ignorant to me. But to, to say that it’s easy, God knows for me to, at least it wasn’t easy. It was a lot of swallow, my pride. And there were definitely hiccups along the way.
Josh (18m 26s):
And you know, if it came to a point where it was like, you know, a customer, a fire just from a job or for a maintenance account, I would take that to heart and be like, why are we doing this? And that’s where the self doubt would come into play and say, you know, maybe I’m not meant for this. Maybe this isn’t me. Maybe I need to go, you know, put my resume on indeed and see if I can get another job managing someplace. Like, I’m just, I’m not meant for this. And you would go through this. I would constantly go through the cycle. And then they have one day I just sat back and I said, well, why don’t, why or why not just be a frigging, a robot? And you know, obviously you, you mingle part of it is, is, you know, you kinda have to swap the customer’s and, and let them know your personality. But you know, of the day it’s business where you’re going to spend the money with you or someone else, you have to sell it, you do the job, that’s it. And you move away and you have to keep telling yourself, this is just business.
Josh (19m 7s):
At the end of the day, what really matters is what’s at home. And that’s what I’ve done for so long is I put so much emotion into the job and took it home with me. It brought my home life back in to work with me. I never had those, those boundaries set. And that was a lot of it. And on the personal side of setting boundaries, that was one of them. I had never set for myself, for my wife, for my family. We were all in each other’s business. And we never had our alone time and setting boundaries and, and guidelines for things at home. In my personal life. It really helped me and the professional aspect where I could say, well, you know what, if I, if I give my wife her space and they do this, everybody is kind of like, well, what if I could do this and say, you know what, I’m not gonna answer my phone at eight o’clock at night, I’m going to set my phone, my business Line to ring from 7:00 AM to 5:00 AM.
Josh (19m 51s):
And that’s it. If you need to reach me, it’s a landscape and there’s, there’s no emergency involved the landscaping that you need to reach me at two o’clock in the morning. Right. And, and yeah, it was definitely tough. But once you set these boundaries for yourself and you realize like, at the end of the day, it’s just a business, you know, it’s not life or death with this, you know, we’re not doctors, we’re not lawyers, we’re not medics. You know, its the seriousness kind of takes away from it and yeah, it definitely helped us out the, they set the boundaries. Thank you.
Danny (20m 21s):
And I think that’s why I like about some of the new on the newer smartphones as well. There have these settings on them, you know, for like a digital wellbeing to make sure that your stepping away from screen time to look after your mental health site.
Josh (20m 34s):
Well, you know, I love that. I noticed that the iPhone has it now where they can actually monitor actually said it for, for Instagram and Facebook. Once you hit, you know, maybe 30 minutes per day of social media time, it actually blocks you all. I mean, all you have to do is sit in the code, but it it’s, you know, you can do, you can go back and actually read the data that, you know, you you’ve just been spending way too much time on the phone, you know, FaceTime it for three hours and will back away from that a little bit.
Danny (20m 57s):
When we spoke earlier about the, the industry and how, you know, w we, we simply see more or less seems to be more people in the green industry talking about their mental health. Now I know on some of the Facebook groups, you have people like a, I can’t remember his name though. That’s not the bad bits and the lawn care of legends, a Facebook group, for example, there’s a lot of discussions about mental health and how you look after yourself, you know, in the stress industry, what, what do you feel is the, the support networks like in your industry do grin and district rules talk about it enough or is it still something that, that needs to be spoken about more or
Josh (21m 34s):
All right. So I’m going to kind of categorize this and that. And they know that the green industry in mental health and all is it isn’t directed just towards one demographic, but I’m going to speak in the male perspective on this because the green industry is predominantly male and have not taken away from females on the bus. I’m just speaking from a male perspective because I’ve been trying to focus a lot on mil, mental health and masculinity, positive masculinity And and all that. And I think that in the past year, there have been a few guys that have brought up mental health. And I think it’s definitely something that’s more talked about, but it’s not. So, you know, its not so fluent to say, it’s just like, Hey listen, I’m, I’m depressed.
Josh (22m 15s):
I’m in, there is different, there’s different types of depression. There’s different types of a lack of mental health that you have to watch out for. And in part of the, you know, in the green industry, especially is, you know, you see a lot of guys on social media that will go on there and it, it sounds crazy, but we have as adults that you would look in another person to say, wow, well that guy has got it going on. Or you know, what does he do? And he has sponsorships through manufacturers. He has a brand new truck, a brand new trailer. And I actually spoke with this on one of the, one of the affiliations that I’ve had for PM. I’ve had people message me. And it’s why, you know, you, you really can’t look at what these people have on social media and, and take it into your own business.
Josh (22m 57s):
And, and one of the things that, that I did for the longest time in this was not even realizing it was like I was in such a rush. And I think a lot of guys, if you’re going to speak about, you know, Entrepreneurship or green industry ownership, business’ ownership and, and a lack of Mental, Health one of the things that you have to realize to set realistic guidelines and timelines. There is no race in business. The, the one thing about the green industry as that is so lucrative, I mean, this is $186 billion business. There’s enough money to go around and there’s not a race. Everybody takes it their own pace. So I, I wish guys, you really set that standard where, you know what people know how long you’ve you’ve taken to get where you are.
Josh (23m 40s):
You know, if you are not, everybody is going to be a, you know, a one year in one year of success coming the gate. So it just sets the standard guidelines and makes sure that you’re expressing when you’re talking about things that I think that’s a big, big, no to make is, is, you know, let people know that it takes time too, to get where you are and that, you know, you’re going to go through these, these feelings of, of, of being down in, in the right and, and self doubt. But yet there are a few guys that have talked about it. I don’t think that it’s, it’s very out there. I think that there is definitely a, a, there’s still a stigma on it in the green industry, especially when you get to the construction side of things because, and, and I hate using the world a, what do they say, false masculinity,
4 (24m 24s):
Right? You know, that
Josh (24m 26s):
You you’re still kinda have that aspect of it where its like, you know, you are going to meet up, let your balls drop it and deal with it. And I feel like it’s a, it’s a different time. And I don’t think that that even employee’s, you know, this is a very demanding industry, especially when you get into the landscape and the hardscape construction side of it and deadlines are a tough to meet. You know, if you have a bad run up a weather, rain or snow, it, it can definitely set you back. And I don’t think that enough guys talk about Stillness in reflection when you do this. And I think it’s constantly go, go, go, go. The one thing that I do see a lot is the same guys that, and I’m not trying to finger point anybody here, but the same guys that I see talk about it, you know, you go back in two months ago, it’s the 80, 90 hour week crying.
Josh (25m 14s):
And, and I honestly think that’s a crock of shit, excuse my language for the client. But that’s one thing that, and I used to be like that. And even before I get to the industry, I would work six to 80 hours a week grinding. And it’s like, you know, the Lake, it was like for Why yeah. For what to make someone else money. And, and, and even today I go, why should work? Well, why should I work 80 hours a week? Because you know what I mean? I like my time, you know, there was no reason that I can in 40 to 50 hours a week, figure out what I get to figure out to make paycheck and to put some money in the bank. And if you are working 80 hours a week and I get that, you’re going to have times where you have to grind out what are you going to have time to self reflect and really like figure your thoughts out and have a moment of stillness. And, and I keep saying Stillness because this is one thing that’s someone brought up and they’re like, Josh when do you take that moment?
Josh (25m 55s):
And still in it, when you’re out there, quote unquote, doing the grind 80 hours a week. And I’m like, well, you don’t want to be in my car. And I’m like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You’re, you’re not actually still, this is when you’re not meditating with, at the point where you’re just sitting on your, on your, your self or, and you’re staring off into the wall and actually figuring out mapping out your thoughts and, and what’s going on with you because there may be underlining things that are going on with you. Maybe your down, maybe you are in self doubt or maybe there is a little hint of depression or maybe you’re fine, but you’re not taking that minute to figure that out. And you’re, you’re acting on impulse and just a, a trigger reaction to get an answer automatically. You know, the, the easiest way is to blame something or a fall in the, the, the, the quickest results, you know, rather than figure things out. And I think a lot of guys, especially in my industry, you need to take that moment of a, again, I hate the word self-care, it’s another thing, but actually pay attention to your physical, mental health or reflect on, you know, where you are, where you’re going to be appreciated with where you are, you know, things take time and, and take those moments of stillness and really just blank out.
Josh (26m 56s):
And when I say Stillness to me to shut the phone off the wife or girlfriend partner, whatever it is, kids go away and just reflect on your day 10 minutes, just reflect any of that. And that’s something that we do every single day. Now I do it in the morning of the month at 5:00 AM, or I don’t touch anybody talking to anybody. I go right into my couch, I have my coffee. And I just think, and at the end of the day, I try to do the same thing that I sit down. And I really, you know, I take in what happens if I’m having an argument with a wife and I, you know, I don’t wanna address it then if I’m not to act on impulse and try to come up with an area of the answer, cause I don’t have to have one right. Then if it’s now you move with the customer at the same day, and it’s the end of the day, I, I calm down and come back and realize its not that big of a deal.
Danny (27m 36s):
All right. And that, that came to that lends into something that is going to ask you, you actually are. And I, and I love that moment of stillness. I think that’s a great approach to tech because like you mentioned, there’s so much pressure to do X, Y, Z either in business, personal life, family, in our peers, et cetera. And we don’t take that moment of stillness and that quiet time to really reflect on a success because often we, we were really good as a human race and beating ourselves up and we don’t do it anywhere near enough to actually congratulate ourselves and some of this stuff we have pulled off. So I really liked that fact and that kinda ties into what I was gonna ask. I mean, based on your own lessons and experiences, you may have already answered it with your, you know, with that, that quote you just came up with.
Danny (28m 23s):
Oh, you just mentioned. So what would be the one tip that you would give to anyone currently gone through the same journey of trying to build a business or growing a business and running a business while you know, are coping with mental health issues as there is one thing that you have learned from say the last five years of being in business, coupled with your own journey with mental health and your ongoing Gen that you would offer up advice to young people that are maybe in the same situation, but don’t have the cottage to recognize that would speak about it.
Josh (28m 53s):
All right. You ready? Its as simple as it is, like I said before to reflect. And I think the people that deal with mental illness and in are in business for themselves are constantly reaching for that next step. Like, you know, what’s better within the next thing. What’s the next thing because you know, in mental health, you know, sometimes the easiest thing is, you know, when something goes wrong, it’s easier to just blame something for simple answer to that, just to get a simple answer. So it’s open it, right? So if you take that moment and if you really, you really reflects on, on your day, on your month and your year end and really just taking in and seeing where you are, you’re going to realize that you were a lot further along in life and the journey of Entrepreneurship than you realize.
Josh (29m 33s):
And people are constantly looking for the next step, but you know, we, we do this, you know, we can go out to work for ourselves to, for freedom, whether it’s financial freedom or, or if it’s work wife caught only mine was a little bit of both, but now I’m realizing that, you know, the work life balance in the family time away is the money, you know, and of course it’s great to make tons of money who, who doesn’t want money in it, it it’s, it’s what we do. But at the same time, you have to look back and reflect to where you are and what you’ve done. And there’s no this invisible timeline in a race that we set for us. So you need to get rid of that. It doesn’t matter if you’re, you know, a millionaire by the time of your dirty 25 or if you get $500 on your bank account at 40, you know, it’s, it’s never too late to correct your steps to look back.
Josh (30m 22s):
But if you are constantly reflecting in and taking these moments, it’s still an issue Stillness and actually thinking about your thoughts and putting them through the ringer, you you’re going to realize, Hey, I’m happy with where I am. It’s it’s a lot easier to pay attention to the day to day, rather than just going well, this year sucked because X, Y, and Z didn’t happen, but you know what, ABCD EMG also happened and they were positive.
Danny (30m 45s):
Right? Exactly. At least. Yeah. I mean, XYZ. Is that fair enough if that doesn’t happen, but that’s pretty laterals of the alphabet. You’ve got another 20, 32 a player of, so, okay, so Josh yeah. I mean, this is again another or eliminate in chat and I really appreciate you coming on and share it and your experiences, you know, one of our listeners, it says it’s always, you know, welcomed where can people, because I know, you know, run your own podcast, where can people find you online to have a listen to your podcast and Bea, you know, to just check it out online
Josh (31m 13s):
On the podcast, it’s that we skate podcast, you can find me on Apple and anchor and you can find me on Instagram at J Curry, J a Y S C U R R I a.
Danny (31m 22s):
Awesome. And I’ll be sure to drop all of these links in to the show notes. So if people who are looking for it or, you know, direct link, so you can find them and to show us, okay, so again, Josh so, like I said, I really appreciate you jumping into the show today, but I think there has been some really good takeaways for our listeners too, you know, whether its own growing a business or running a business deal and, you know, with a wild grew up in a family and also obviously dealing with mental health issues. I think there’s a lot of strong takeaways for people to take today. So I really appreciate it. Josh
Josh (31m 51s):
Wait, can I throw it one more thing? I get there before we can hang up in a number going to push this a little bit on my, on my green industry pages. And the one thing I want to leave everybody with here is, you know, we, I talk a lot on a lot of the platforms in a lot of noise about having your, your coach, your team in place and your team doesn’t have to be inside your company, but it also falls like your accountants, your attorneys, your, or your tax professionals in, in one thing that I’ll push to help for me is I consider my therapist or my group of who I talk to you outside of the Marine industry. And that’s part of my team. So you, you know, my therapy, as far as, like I said, I’ve been on kind of a hiatus from that right now because I’m trying to break, try to figure out my own lots and see where I am as hard as there would be. I think that’s a very essential tool when you’re only a business, at least for this industry as having someone outside of your industry, whether it’s a mental health professional, or a mentor to speak with them, talk to about all aspects of life, not just business, because you do need a vented out and we are not all Hercules.
Josh (32m 46s):
We need to be able to get these thoughts out and this isn’t, you know, call on anybody a wish to say that you need a polo to cry on our shoulder crying on, but sometimes you do figuratively have that person or persons in your toolbox and your team.
Danny (33m 1s):
Not that a solid advice. And I would agree 100%. I know from my own point of view, having someone at that, was it gone back to your statement about stepping away emotionally and making sure, you know, looking at it from us as a professional angle or a, like a, a third party angle, if you’re like completely agreed that that’s excellent advice Josh for sure. Definitely. All right guys. Well, this has been another episode of life through John. I hope you enjoyed that. And like I say, I’ll be dropping off of the details about where you can find Josh ah, to listen to the podcast and just connect with him one lane and the show notes. If you’re enjoying the show and be sure to live in a view, you can leave it really easily on read this podcast.com forward slash and drop it.
Danny (33m 42s):
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